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Clouds Move, Rain Falls: Celestial-River Water and Thunderbolt Fire

Clouds Move, Rain Falls combines Celestial-River Water and Thunderbolt Fire Nayin (a separate named element classification for a complete pair of chart symbols): the Bing-Wu/Ding-Wei group meets the Wu-Zi/Ji-Chou group. The source relates the natal reference to Day or Hour and treats the image as supplemental to an already favorable structure. The Water/Fire comes from Nayin, not a change to the stem elements.

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Which complete pillars belong to the two groups?

The two pillars in each group share a Nayin name, while their stems, branches and calendar assignments remain distinct. A reciprocal relation does not make birth positions freely interchangeable.

GroupComplete pillarsNayinActual stem elements
Celestial-River WaterBing-Wu (丙午), Ding-Wei (丁未)Celestial-River WaterBing/Ding are Fire
Thunderbolt FireWu-Zi (戊子), Ji-Chou (己丑)Thunderbolt FireWu/Ji are Earth

Does the source’s Yin–Yang joining mean a Six Combination?

None of these four cross-group branch pairs is a Six Combination. Some clash and others harm; the cloud/rain image does not remove those relationships.

Cross-group pairActual branch relation
Bing-Wu (丙午), Wu-Zi (戊子)Zi/Wu clash
Bing-Wu (丙午), Ji-Chou (己丑)Chou/Wu harm
Ding-Wei (丁未), Wu-Zi (戊子)Zi/Wei harm
Ding-Wei (丁未), Ji-Chou (己丑)Chou/Wei clash

What needs care if the pair is assigned directly to Day and Hour?

Bing-Wu Day with Wu-Zi or Ji-Chou Hour is compatible. Ding-Wei Day requires Geng-Zi at Zi Hour or Xin-Chou at Chou Hour, not Wu-Zi or Ji-Chou. A Ding-Wei natal reference need not be Ding-Wei Day.

The source discusses the groups meeting but gives no fully assigned four-pillar example here. The four listed pillars should not simply be assembled as birth data without calendar checks.

Where does this named image belong in a whole-chart explanation?

The passage treats it as an added image after another favorable structure has been established, not a replacement for the month, roots and actual interactions.

Clouds, rain and beneficence are historical metaphors, not weather forecasts, wealth formulas or guarantees of office. The useful explanation shows the naming logic alongside the actual relationships.

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